This podcast, conducted by visual artist and film scholar Pallavi Paul, explores the relationship between image making and the ecological. Departing from artist Pranay Dutta’s piece Neti (2022), dealing with the Sundarbans regions in South-East Asia, Paul interviews artist, photographer, environmental campaigner, writer, and curator Ravi Agarwal, and filmmaker, video artist, and film scholar Shaunak Sen. Unfolding across geological time scales on the one hand and microscopic cellular life on the other, the ‘ecological’ is often in excess of optical infrastructures. What does this mean for photography and cinema? Is an apocalyptic world a world without people or a world without images? What is the stake of art in ecological justice?