This conversation forms a bridge between two distinct but thoroughly related TBA21 commissions. The recent projects of Joan Jonas and Patricia Domínguez both examine complex flows of water, multiple ecological crises, and contemporary spirituality. Jonas’s expansive exhibition Moving Off the Land II, was recently presented at the Thyssen-Bornemisza National Museum, Madrid, following three years of oceanic research with TBA21–Academy. Focussing on the struggle for access to water in her native Chile, Domínguez’s new commission for the current TBA21 × Thyssen Museum exhibition How to Tread Lightly has grown out of her Episode now unfolding on st_age, TBA21’s new online commissions initiative. Access the audio file HERE.